Hopping Genres

I’m in the thick of it, working through another test.

This time, the exploration of writing a novel. I mentioned a few weeks ago that I was in pursuit, wondering if my previous experience in academic and memoir writing could be tapped to conjure a largely fictionalized story.

Along the way, writers will tell you about the curve balls, the speed bumps and the periodic (and yet persistent) insecurities about your lofty pursuit.

Some say stick with it, it needs to come out of you one way or another.

Some say the uncertainty is a byproduct of faulty structure – or lack of structure entirely.

Some say plot-driven is the only way to go, build the story accordingly.

Some say balderdash! Stories should be character-driven and as you come to know your fictionalized folks, the rest will follow…the story will unfold.

I know which way I lean (can you guess?) but I’m open to reading everything because I love crawling into writers’ processes. Sure, sure. The big guns – Stephen King’s “On Writing” and Anne Lamott’s beloved “Bird by Bird” are inspiration points I return to again and again. I like their voices, their honesty.

But what I’ve realized as I’m ¾ of the way through my latest project is that I’m curious about plot structure and scaffolding, too. Not so much that I’m gonna do it because I prefer listening to my characters, allowing them breathing room to reveal themselves as I type.

Before you think it/say it…you’re right. I’ve given my cast of…let me see…thirteen main characters and a few supporting players…a lot of liberty. I stare at descriptions of them, right now, on a messy 4×5 foot kraft paper “art installation” in my office. If I were an artist, I’d begin drawing faces next to the bullet point descriptions of my friends, but I’m not, so I periodically pause to look at the details they’ve already revealed about their personalities, their quirks, notable features. It’s like having company while I work – of the best variety. They speak only when spoken to. 😉

I’m what the experts would call a ‘character-driven’ writer, I suppose. But when I allow that awareness to seep in, I wonder if I’m neglecting the power of plot. I’ve got that, too (she says with a touch of indignation). Outlined in a few bullet points which stare back at me from my ‘character board’. I wonder about plot structure and resist it all at the same time.

I think I know why.  Given my background in healing and helping professions, I’m very, very familiar with references to Joseph Campbell and “The Hero’s Journey”.  I like it, but the idea of deploying it to aid my writing feels cumbersome and restrictive. On a personal growth level, I’m all in, but as an aide or inspiration to get this particular story out of myself as I type? Nope. The Call to Adventure, Refusal, Mentor Meeting, Tests, Challenges, Failures, Allies & Enemies, The Ordeal, The Reward, The Road Back, Rebirth/Renewal, The Return…it feels heavy. Too burdensome to contemplate. Intimidating, even? The last thing I need for inspiration.

But the good news is that’s not the only approach to story structure. In a recent article from B.A. Durham and the Chicago Writer’s Association, I learned about a popular (but unknown to me) plot structure from Japan: “kishōtenketsu”. New to you, too?

What I appreciated about Durham’s introduction to “kishōtenketsu” was the simplified structure, one where inherent conflict may or may not exist. Story for story’s sake without the heaviness of transformational moments, resulting from a hefty overcoming. Of something. Or someone.

Here’s the summary that Durham shared:

The organization of kishōtenketsu is incorporated into its name:

Ki: The introduction of the story where the characters are shown going about their ordinary lives.

Shō: The development stage of the story. A unique situation is presented and may take place chronologically before the first act.

Ten: The defining part of kishōtenketsu is the twist. In this part of the story something is revealed that changes the characters’ perspectives of the situation established in the second act.

Ketsu: The conclusion follows up on the twist in the third act. This act often shows the characters coming to grips with their new reality but not necessarily exhibiting any signs of change or growth.

Ordinary lives…situations…a twist…a conclusion. Fanfare optional. I’m far too much of a novice on the topic to say more but the point of this post is to share that I’m intrigued. Durham shares an additional resource in his article, written by Kim Yoon Mi. It’s one I’ve checked out and will return to.

Thanks so much for coming along. My characters are waving to you, thanking you for stopping by.

Vicki 😊

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81 responses to “Hopping Genres”

  1. Fascinating! “Ordinary lives…situations…a twist…a conclusion” – geez, that sounds just like my days. I can see how relatable it would be. Love that you are sharing lessons with us as you go – so inspirational! ❤

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    1. You’ve got that just right, Wynne! Learning as I go, and my brain likes simple…just saying! 😁

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  2. Your focus on characters sounds spot on! It sort of reminds me of what Sally Field once said “The opportunities I’ve had to play really complex characters, which haven’t been a lot, but some, you never get over them.” How often is it the characters that really stay with you… not the epic battle, even if it’s against thousands of orcs? 😀

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    1. Oh how I love a Sally Field reference, EW! Thanks for that — and for the nod about characters, generally. Yup. Same here…the people, not the battles. Hugs to you! 🥰😁🥰

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  3. What a journey you’re on! We’re happily learning right along with you, Vicki!

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    1. Thank you, Joy…that’s just what I think about you…learning and inspiration. Xo! ❤️

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  4. Plot driven? Character driven? I say who cares? Ha ha, When you go to a five star restaurant, you’re asked how much you want your steak cooked — rare, medium or well done — but you’re rarely given the chance to give the chef detailed instructions. It doesn’t work that way. All I know is I can’t wait to see your novel on the New York Times Best Seller list and to say to my local book store that I know the author!!! 🤣🤣🤣😎

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    1. You are one of my all-time favorite dreamers, Mr. Hannon. Thanks for the giggles. You’re saying any reader should be lucky to get whatever I’m serving? Oh no…that could go sideways in SO many ways! 😁😊😁

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      1. Lucky to get what they get … and be happy too! Ha ha, yea exactly. Ha ha, yes, I guess it doesn’t always work that way does it! 🤣🤣🤣

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        1. I wish, I wish! 🥰😜🥰

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  5. “Any writing worth doing is a trek into the unknown.” – Ralph Keyes in The Courage to Write: How Writers Transcend Fear, which I’m rereading

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    1. Oh….Joy! That’s sooo, sooo good! Keep those inspiration points coming. Love it! 🥰

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  6. First, congratulations on as far as you are and good luck on where you’re going.
    Now for the hard conversations.
    Character or plot, do what you want but the stronger you make the character, the more your can drive the story with the plot (particularly useful when writing multiple books that you don’t end up writing the same story using different words which can happen with character driven stories. Your character board can tell you if the characters are strong enough to carry the story.
    I personally like a simple story structure and contrary to popular opinion, you can have depth of emotion and conflict in a 4 point story.
    I still believe you write for ourself first, even if it is professionally.
    And finally, words from my hero :Lawrence Block. “One thing that helps is to give myself permission to write badly. I tell myself that I’m going to do my five or 10 pages no matter what, and that I can always tear them up the following morning if I want. I’ll have lost nothing-writing and tearing up five pages would leave me no further behind than if I took the day off.”

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    1. Oh my goodness…so much to absorb from your fabulous comment, Michael! Thanks, of course, for the encouragement but the reference you made to Lawrence Block tells me he’s someone I need to learn from (thanks to you). And your point about the characters being ‘strong enough to carry the story’ makes so much sense to me. Appreciate you! 🥰

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      1. You’re very much most welcome. You’ve already done a lot of reading but if you really want to do more, I have found Block’s approach very human. He’s written at least a half-dozen books on writing. My favorite is “Write for your life.” It’s an older one but good writing never goes out of style.

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        1. Thank you so much. I appreciate your recommendations, my friend. 🥰🥰🥰

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  7. thanks for an interesting discussion.

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    1. Thank you, John, for stopping by and reading! 🥰

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    Good luck, Vicki. If you are looking for twists, the original Twilight Zone series offers plenty. Rod Serling was a master.

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    1. Ohhhh! Great reminder and recommendation! Thanks, Dr. Stein. 🥰

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  9. I’ve really just started working on a story I have, but the characters tell me what to write. I guess we just need to go with what feels right rather than stressing out about what others say is the correct blueprint . Find what works for you, Vicki, and I’m sure it’ll be great

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    1. I love hearing that you’re working on a story and you’re letting the characters lead the way. Thanks for sharing, Brenda! 🥰

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  10. I am character driven also in my writing. I did take an online class on plots from Gotham Writers in January. It was helpful to get feedback from the instructor on how to make my story work.

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    1. Ah, yes! What a great opportunity that must’ve been! 🥰

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      1. LA recommended Gotham Writers. She takes in person classes.

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        1. Oh…now that you mention it, I remember! 😉

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  11. Hi Vicki! Reading Like a Writer by Francine Prose is the BEST book I’ve read on the craft of writing.

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    1. Oh – yay! I love all of these terrific suggestions, Crystal. Thank you for the recommendation. Appreciate it…you may have mentioned that book before…thanks for the nudge and encouragement. xo! 🥰

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  12. My hat’s off to you, oh adventurous and courageous one! Thanks for sharing your process. If I ever feel moved to write fiction, I’ll turn to you as a mentor. Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to reading whatever emerges from the fruits of your creative imagination. Till then, I’ll be standing on the sidelines cheering you on. 👏👏👏

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    1. Thank you, my #1 cheerleader! I have no idea what this little project will become, but it’s entertaining and you and I concluded when we first connected as soul sisters that joy is all around for the taking if we open our eyes. So… we shall SEE. Teehee! Love you, Jules! 🥰

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      1. Teehee indeed! As long as joy in the process takes precedence over frustration, you cannot possibly fail! I just read Wynne’s post about losing vs. learning, and you, my sweet friend, are on your way to a well-earned Ph.D.

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        1. You are the sweetest! And yes…wasn’t Wynne’s post today a total gem? Love! xoxoxo! 🥰

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  13. Wow, Vicki, there’s so much to contemplate in here. I love this discussion. I only ever tried novel(être) writing once, when I decided to give NaNoWriMo a try several years ago. I found exactly what you say, that your characters let you know what comes next. It was a fascinating revelation for me. This is quite a journey you’ve set for yourself!

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    1. Oh my goodness. My brain goes on ’tilt’ when I think of all the wonderful nuggets you’ve uncovered in your family history and the stories…fictionalized or not…that could be spun from what you’ve discovered, Jane. I absolutely could see you as a novelist…one who gives her characters the richest of rich descriptions. Maybe you’ll be tempted again? xo! 🥰

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      1. LOL. Maybe … or maybe not. I think I’ll leave that to you, and look forward to reading your first novel! I had my fling at fiction writing when I wrote for my grandchildren and had a captive audience. 🥰

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        1. Love that, Jane. I think that’s my motivation, too – to write for family. xoxoxo! 🥰

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  14. I definitely would’ve guessed you were a character-driven writing. It shows through your writing.

    There’s something to be said about plot driven stories too and a fun and readability in them too.

    I like studying different story structures too. It’s been a while since I heard a reference to the Hero’s Journey.

    Good luck with your latest work!

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    1. Thanks so much, Ab. That means a lot — that you “hear me”. How lovely that is. And I love your point about plot-driven stories…you’re right! Room for all. Big hugs! 🥰

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    We’re in a similar place, Vicki. Having written my memoir, I find the challenge of crafting fiction much more challenging. Suddenly, I read books paying far greater attention to story structure and a million other things to see how the author pulls it off. Yet, I love the creative challenge of building something from scratch. I know I’ve got a ton still to learn, but gosh I’m having a good time.

    I like both character and plot-driven stories, but I really want to get inside the protagonist’s head and put myself in his/her shoes. Eventually, I’ll just have to call it good because all it seems like I’m doing sometimes is rewriting.

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    1. Same boat! You’re right and we need to keep cheering each other on and swap tips! I feel like you — so much to learn. 🥰 Thanks, Pete!

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  16. And we’re waving back!
    Of course, getting to know your characters whatever process you use will be revealing and engaging I’m sure. I’m certain there will also be some level of growth. Thanks for taking us along. 💕

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    1. Thanks for the encouragement…and for the waves! 🥰

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  17. A. Let’s go!! I’m intrigued where your new venture will take us!

    B. Umm… imma say character driven.

    C. Thanks for introducing this approach. I like it!

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    1. I love it — your comments are better than my post! Cheers to the A, B, C of it all. xo! 🥰

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      1. Better than? Nah!! You sell yourself short.

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        1. You’re kind…LOL! 🤪

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          1. Is truth kind? Or is it just truth? 🤔

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            1. Hmm…I like your philosopher’s head. Truth is truth…and kind…well, that’s you! And that’s the truth! 😉🥰😉

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              1. Uncle! 🤷🏼‍♂️

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  18. Wow! You go girl, I think this will be in bookstores by Christmas! Ideas and characters are flowing forward; it’s exciting and impressive. Thanks for an interesting discussion. (Yes, I do love King’s On Writing too.) 🙂

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    1. You are quite the comedienne aren’t you?!? Hilarious…but I LOVE your positivity. Xo! ❤️

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  19. 😂😂 Perhaps a small exaggeration, but not too much! You work hard and you will be successful because of it. 😍

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    1. Thank you, dear Melanie! 🥰

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  20. I’m excited for your new chapter of writing fiction! I love how you refer to your characters as your “friends” 🙂

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    1. Aww! Thanks so much, Rhonda. You “get” me! 🥰 xo!

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    1. You are so kind! Thank you, Cynthia. I appreciate you for stopping by and for your lovely comment. 🥰

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  21. I’m not much of a fiction writer but if I were attempt it, I think I’d take the character-driven approach like you. I will look forward to reading your work, Vicki!

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    1. Aren’t you the sweetest! Thank you, Michelle. 🥰❤️🥰

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  22. So excited for you and this new project, Vicki! The format sounds very…Japanese lol They seem to have a culture of simply accepting what is and not making a big deal about it.

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    1. You are the best! I’m so grateful we connected…nothing quite like Kath encouragement!
      Xo! ❤️🥰❤️

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      1. lol you’re welcome! It’s the only way I know how to be 🫂🫂

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        1. …and it shows! So good! ❤️

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  23. This is all so interesting, Vicki. I let me characters write my first book, and it was a mesmerizing process – having their lives unfold before my eyes as fully developed people. Since then, I’ve become a plotter with a skeletal structure that I throw my characters into and see what they do. I hope that my stories feel “character driven” even though they are carefully structured. For me, the best stories are both. kishōtenketsu is a structure, broken down into four parts and further subparts (based on your description. So go for it! Make every scene matter and Happy Writing.

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    1. Ohhh…”make every scene matter”. Those are four words to keep in mind as I move forward. I love it! And I appreciate hearing that the blending of plotting, structure and ‘character driven’ needn’t be mutually exclusive. That feels right to me in so many ways. Thank you, Diana! 🥰

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      1. They’re not mutually exclusive at all. Books need both. They rest on a continuum, and where they lie varies by genre.

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        1. 😉 Yep…and finding the balance is the tricky thing for me at the moment…thank you again!

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  24. Impressive, Vicki and good luck with this wonderful endeavour!👏

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    1. Thank you! I really appreciate your enthusiasm and support, Cindy. xo! 🥰

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      1. It’s a pleasure, Vicki❤️

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  25. I was taught that fiction writing was: 1) get your main character up a tree; 2) throw rocks at him; & 3) get your main character down out of the tree. Simplier than your four points but maybe less useful!

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    1. Oh my goodness ! Where have THOSE nuggets been hiding? I love it. Up a tree… yes! Thanks, Ally! 🥰😜🥰

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  26. Very cool! I hope we get a chance to read it sometime soon!

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    1. Love your positivity, Todd! It might turn out to be a fun (non-published) project and nothing more, but I’ll keep at it! 😜

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  27. […] I love being a member of the Chicago Writers Association. Blog posts from author B.A.Durham from “Chicago Writes” pop into my inbox providing inspiration.  Last month I shared some thoughts about one of his recent posts – one that helped me navigate a plateau in my latest writing project. You can check it out here. […]

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  28. […] workspace includes mind-maps and sketches…post-it notes and half-baked ideas…and I’m learning. It’s the merging that matters. […]

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  29. Great post, informative and encouraging. “It’s like having company while I work – of the best variety. They speak only when spoken to.” 😂 Love it… NO SOUP FOR YOU!

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    1. Ah! Thank you, Darryl — appreciate your comment and the smile to start my day! 😊

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