Podcast Friday: It’s a Fab Collab

I’ve done a lot of “collabing” over the years.

Projects of all sorts, and it’s a treat to work with someone when there’s an ease all around. That’s what it’s like – fun and fabulous – as Wynne and I enjoy our shared projects – writing, workshops, podcasting or occasionally, musing about solutions to the world’s problems. 😉

Life is better when you have a trusted partner, one who embodies all the wonderful nuances associated with the phrase “better together”. I feel lucky. Wynne and I had a blast in our latest podcast as we talked about collaboration and how our other careers may have primed us for new adventures.

This week a client, coincidentally, wanted to chat about team building and leadership and our conversation turned toward the importance of synergy and collaboration. Even though the article pre-dates the pandemic, the principles outlined in this Harvard Business Review op-ed written by Francesca Gino, “Cracking the Code of Sustained Collaboration” hold true:

What’s needed is a psychological approach. When I analyzed sustained collaborations in a wide range of industries, I found that they were marked by common mental attitudes: widespread respect for colleagues’ contributions, openness to experimenting with others’ ideas, and sensitivity to how one’s actions may affect both colleagues’ work and the mission’s outcome. Yet these attitudes are rare. Instead, most people display the opposite mentality, distrusting others and obsessing about their own status. The task for leaders is to encourage an outward focus in everyone, challenging the tendency we all have to fixate on ourselves—what we’d like to say and achieve—instead of what we can learn from others.

Whether you’re working in person or thousands of miles away in distant time zones, I believe it’s possible to achieve the hallmarks of effective collaboration, identified by Gino:

  1. Teach People to Listen, Not Talk
  2. Train People to Practice Empathy
  3. Make People Feel Comfortable with Feedback
  4. Teach People to Lead and Follow
  5. Speak with Clarity and Avoid Abstractions
  6. Train People to Have Win-Win Interactions

My dad, a man who was successful despite many obstacles in his path, made a name for himself in the business world and it wasn’t because he had extraordinary gifts.  He was a good guy, but beyond that, he exuded a belief in each of these six principles and lived them every day as a leader and my all-time favorite collaborator.

Even so, I know he’d add a seventh principle to Francesca Gino’s list, a culminating bit of wisdom:

7. Take the Time to Build and Sustain Trust.

Funny thing about that…it was on Wynne’s mind…and mine…in this clip:

I think you’ll enjoy our chat. As usual, we try to offer a mix of our deepest thinking with a side order of giggles. This time about collaboration. Mostly. 😉

-Vicki

Search (and subscribe!) for Sharing the Heart of the Matter on Apple, Amazon, Spotify or Pocket Casts OR Listen to on Anchor Episode 63: Keys to Collaborative Success with Vicki and Wynne

Transcript for Episode 63 of the podcast

Episode 63: Keys to Collaborative Success with Vicki and Wynne on Anchor

Cracking the Code of Sustained Collaboration (hbr.org)

Wynne’s personal blog: Surprised by Joy

Vicki’s recently released book: Surviving Sue

Wynne’s book about her beloved father: Finding My Father’s Faith



32 responses to “Podcast Friday: It’s a Fab Collab”

  1. Looking forward to listening to this one! It’s clear that you and Wynne have such a wonderful connection.

    “Instead, most people display the opposite mentality, distrusting others and obsessing about their own status.” Isn’t that the truth? And you’re right about collaborating at a distance. Some of my closest work colleagues are people I’ve rarely seen face to face.

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    1. Adore you…and your comment, Michelle. Yep! Wynne’s pretty special and the fact that we’re working, collaborating remotely hasn’t slowed us down. Still, it’s pretty hard to convey a decent hug, but we try to make up for that with smiles. xo! 🥰

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  2. That’s the power of withness. I look forward to listening!

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    1. How lovely! Thanks, David! 😉

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  3. Sounds like a promising conversation. I look forward to it! Thank you, ladies.

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  4. Ooh, looking forward to this one!

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    1. Thanks so much, Erin. 🥰

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  5. I think you’ve just hit on your next Webinar/Symposium: Collaboration. I especially loved Gino’s hallmarks of collaboration and your dad’s key addition. Trust is so important. As a writer, it takes me forever to trust someone with my copy. But when I find that special someone, I never want to give that relationship up, I want to go back to them again and again to share and get their ideas. Neat to see you guys put those feelings I have inside into words.

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    1. Wow…thanks so much, Brian. We always appreciate your feedback…you know, you’re one of those ‘trusted ones’ giving us terrific input and being a great partner and friend. Glad this episode connected for you — that’s the best Friday feedback of all! 🥰

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  6. I think the problem is that as long as companies and organizations continue to reward individual performance, there is no real incentive to foster true teamwork and collaboration. The challenge for leaders is to change this dynamic and begin rewarding performance at the team, branch, or division level. Individual performance can always be assessed because a good manager or supervisor knows who is not rowing with the rest. By the way, the video clip was excellent. Great interaction.

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    1. I think you’re right on, Edward! It’s stunning to me that some of the most sought-after skills are related to contributing to a positive group dynamic, being a good team member, but the folks who will always row harder also need to know their effort’s recognized…rewarded. Just as you said. Thanks so much for watching and listening…and for your thoughtful comment.

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      1. Always! You ladies are pretty awesome.

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        1. Aww! Thank you so much, Edward! (and sorry about weird duplicate replies…WP is acting up!) 😉

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          1. You’re welcome and no worries. Yes, WP is always acting up and you need to press “like” 2-3 times if you are using a desktop or laptop. Very annoying.

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            1. Thanks for letting me know it’s not just me – LOL! 😜

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  7. widespread respect for colleagues’ contributions, openness to experimenting with others’ ideas, and sensitivity to how one’s actions may affect both colleagues’ work and the mission’s outcome.

    So good! Tons of respect for all you do, dear Vicki!! Love this post about how we need to cultivate the right attitudes as a precursor to success. So good!!

    Love our collaboration, dear friend! ❤ ❤ ❤

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    1. Yah…that HBR piece is a fave and it’s come in handy more than once. I’m glad you love it as much as I do. Terrific advice and I’d say it’s wisdom you embody naturally, dear Wynne. 🥰

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      1. Right back at you, my friend!! ❤ ❤ ❤

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  8. I so agree. One of the best educational professional development speakers I’ve heard, said they it is not so important to teach stem skills,etc.,but much more important to teach them soft skills, collaboration, communication, work ethics, flexibility, ability to think on their feet , responsibility, etc.

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    1. Love all of that, Beth. Yes — especially the points you make about critical thinking and problem solving, work ethic, responsibility. Appreciate your comment and input! xo! 🥰

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  9. Thought-provoking content as always! And I do hope the two of you will someday meet in person!😊

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    1. It’ll happen! Thanks so much, Mary! 🥰

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  10. I really enjoy seeing from afar how you and Wynne collaborate. I still can’t believe you two have never met in person. Your chemistry is so natural.

    I also found it interesting reading your reflection about how collaboration manifests or should manifest effectively at work. I participated in a full day session earlier this week with others in our organization’s leadership. It was on the Birkman method, which you may be familiar with. In a nutshell it was about building self awareness and awareness of how others work and it really is about honing these soft skills that make us the best collaborators.

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    1. Fun! Yes…Birkman took related ideas from other psychologists and forged his own path, putting a flavor of ‘social comprehension’ on positive psychology, personality and interest assessments – especially for groups. I love that your workplace is invested in giving feedback to employees. That’s what I think all of the various tools can do – provide input – and a place for folks to gather round and develop/deepen the understanding of how group and individual goals can coexist and thrive! And thank you so much for your kindness about the “Wynne & Vicki” collab. She’s a gem, for sure! 🥰

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  11. Great List, and an important topic – My husband always says, “Nobody learns anything by talking.” Listening is underrated – XOV

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    1. That’s such a good one, Vickie! Love it. 🥰

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  12. Collaboration and communication are key aspects of successful relationships, in both professional and personal relationships alike. I love the 7th point you’ve added. It’s impossible to have true collaboration without trust. Love this post!

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    1. Thank you so much! 🥰❤️🥰

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